DJ Neil Fox Cleared of all allegations , Perfect , He will bring a voice to many IMHO

[Rights Fighter]

False or not? I'm sorry, i totally disagree with this. If the accusations were false, then he is a victim, no doubt about it. But "if not" then he is not a victim at all, he got away with rape and deserves every bit of misery that comes his way. Not every acquittal means innocence!

I agree with you. If accusers are false accusers then he is the victim. However, if they are telling the truth and he is lying, I have no sympathy with him whatsoever. I do feel sorry for his family though given that he has admitted to what he refers to as "horseplay" or similar. I had to put up with "horseplay" for years and I hated it. It might be part and parcel of showbusiness but that was one bit I really didn't like.

However, as another member pointed out, he wasn't accused of rape (as far as I know, that wasn't in the media).

[Strugglingtomoveon]

I believe DJ fox did not " get AWAY with Rape"!!!...........

As he was only investigated for sexual Assault./offences.......... For which he was found "not guilty"........

He was never accused of "Rape"........nor did he " get away with Rape"!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't referring to him specifically, but to the sentence that was written.

[Arsenal12]

False or not? I'm sorry, i totally disagree with this. If the accusations were false, then he is a victim, no doubt about it. But "if not" then he is not a victim at all, he got away with rape and deserves every bit of misery that comes his way. Not every acquittal means innocence!

I believe DJ fox did not " get AWAY with Rape"!!!...........

As he was only investigated for sexual Assault./offences.......... For which he was found "not guilty"........

He was never accused of "Rape"........nor did he " get away with Rape"!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Strugglingtomoveon]

Therefore I personally feel he has been the victim here and not the accusers, whether they are false or not.

False or not? I'm sorry, i totally disagree with this. If the accusations were false, then he is a victim, no doubt about it. But "if not" then he is not a victim at all, he got away with rape and deserves every bit of misery that comes his way. Not every acquittal means innocence!

[Bene]

[QUOTE=hello88;59359]Sorry just a few comments from some small things highlighted here (for discussion not critisicm) he is a celebrity it may (i say may) be that when one allegation came along the other may (yet again, may) of thought, oh i met him once, i think i may be able to get compensation for this.... so really i don't think that rule applies for celebrities, its never made you wonder why they've all decided to come foward at around the same time???

It is wayyy more than 'loosing job and family' did you not read my previous post??? (or the posts of many other) that is the hell i've had in just the last WEEK (and yesterday it just got worse but no time to explain) i will one day write up everything (crying throughout) even though it was 6 months ago its still engrained in my head my ritual for several weeks, dealing with crying heartbroken children, facing one of the families who did this to me everyday, lying to closest friends about where my OH is, and then after all that after putting my kids to bed (knowing that in an hour or two they'll be up screaming) i would then phone my OH who was so depressed that just words could go so far that whilst i scream down the phone "promise me you wont do anything stupid, promise me you wont end your life" he couldn't give an answer, staying awake all night crying, whilst having Social worker on my back prepared to take my children away at any time........
Akko
whilst the accuser went out partying..

so all the above,for us where will the justice be in that, as it will be very unlikely that they will even be arrested.

sorry, just really trying to get through that not everyone is like the person who raped you,[/QUOTE


I'am really sorry to hear what your going through. I will never truly understand.
I can't speak on something I don't truly understand. Please don't apologise.

But what I can say is that, everyone who commits a serious crime should be prosecuted and convicted. Every rapist and false accuser. But in most cases it doesn't happen. In a perfect world they people who hurt us should be prosecuted but we don't live in a perfect world. Sadly!

It's unfair, it's unjust, it's cruel it's wrong. I can list a million things describing how wrong it is. I hear your pain, I hear how much your hurting. I'm getting emotional, don't know why. Probably because you got me thinking of how far I've come. These pasts 3 months I've been really growing spiritually and really healing and recovering and what's helped me is accepting the fact that, they may never reap what they sow' meaning accepting the fact that the people who have wronged us might never receive the punishment we think they deserve.

When you get to a point in life when you begin to accept that you will feel so free.

Back to your point, I understand, it's not just about losing money and jobs, I'm speaking on experience. The reason were here is based on our experience, there's a misconception on here on how easy and great victims, false and genuine victims have it. I've read post after post, oh how easy we got it, oh we have compensation we get immunity. And we're always believed, in cases where there's your word against his. The police or cps will take your word.
Based on my experience it's not true, the cps will not prosecute someone if they don't think they can win, regardless of whether the perpetrator is guilty or innocent.
That's my theory anyway.


If you would like we could continue having this discussion via private message.
P.s I will only respond to positivity won't waste my time on negativity lol


Wish you and your family the best
X

[Bene]

[QUOTE=hello88;59359]Sorry just a few comments from some small things highlighted here (for discussion not critisicm) he is a celebrity it may (i say may) be that when one allegation came along the other may (yet again, may) of thought, oh i met him once, i think i may be able to get compensation for this.... so really i don't think that rule applies for celebrities, its never made you wonder why they've all decided to come foward at around the same time???

It is wayyy more than 'loosing job and family' did you not read my previous post??? (or the posts of many other) that is the hell i've had in just the last WEEK (and yesterday it just got worse but no time to explain) i will one day write up everything (crying throughout) even though it was 6 months ago its still engrained in my head my ritual for several weeks, dealing with crying heartbroken children, facing one of the families who did this to me everyday, lying to closest friends about where my OH is, and then after all that after putting my kids to bed (knowing that in an hour or two they'll be up screaming) i would then phone my OH who was so depressed that just words could go so far that whilst i scream down the phone "promise me you wont do anything stupid, promise me you wont end your life" he couldn't give an answer, staying awake all night crying, whilst having Social worker on my back prepared to take my children away at any time........
Akko
whilst the accuser went out partying..

so all the above,for us where will the justice be in that, as it will be very unlikely that they will even be arrested.

sorry, just really trying to get through that not everyone is like the person who raped you,[/QUOTE


I'am really sorry to hear what your going through. I will never truly understand.
I can't speak on something I don't truly understand. Please don't apologise.

But what I can say is that, everyone who commits a serious crime should be prosecuted and convicted. Every rapist and false accuser. But in most cases it doesn't happen. In a perfect world they people who hurt us should be prosecuted but we don't live in a perfect world. Sadly!

It's unfair, it's unjust, it's cruel it's wrong. I can list a million things describing how wrong it is. I hear your pain, I hear how much your hurting. I'm getting emotional, don't know why. Probably because you got me thinking of how far I've come. These pasts 3 months I've been really growing spiritually and really healing and recovering and what's helped me is accepting the fact that, they may never reap what they sow' meaning accepting the fact that the people who have wronged us might never receive the punishment we think they deserve.

When you get to a point in life when you begin to accept that you will feel so free.

Back to your point, I understand, it's not just about losing money and jobs, I'm speaking on experience. The reason were here is based on our experience, there's a misconception on here on how easy and great victims, false and genuine victims have it. I've read post after post, oh how easy we got it, oh we have compensation we get immunity. And we're always believed, in cases where there's your word against his. The police or cps will take your word.
Based on my experience it's not true, the cps will not prosecute someone if they don't think they can win, regardless of whether the perpetrator is guilty or innocent.
That's my theory anyway.


If you would like we could continue having this discussion via private message.
P.s I will only respond to positivity won't waste my time on negativity lol


Wish you and your family the best
X

[Bene]

[QUOTE=hello88;59359]Sorry just a few comments from some small things highlighted here (for discussion not critisicm) he is a celebrity it may (i say may) be that when one allegation came along the other may (yet again, may) of thought, oh i met him once, i think i may be able to get compensation for this.... so really i don't think that rule applies for celebrities, its never made you wonder why they've all decided to come foward at around the same time???

It is wayyy more than 'loosing job and family' did you not read my previous post??? (or the posts of many other) that is the hell i've had in just the last WEEK (and yesterday it just got worse but no time to explain) i will one day write up everything (crying throughout) even though it was 6 months ago its still engrained in my head my ritual for several weeks, dealing with crying heartbroken children, facing one of the families who did this to me everyday, lying to closest friends about where my OH is, and then after all that after putting my kids to bed (knowing that in an hour or two they'll be up screaming) i would then phone my OH who was so depressed that just words could go so far that whilst i scream down the phone "promise me you wont do anything stupid, promise me you wont end your life" he couldn't give an answer, staying awake all night crying, whilst having Social worker on my back prepared to take my children away at any time........
Akko
whilst the accuser went out partying..

so all the above,for us where will the justice be in that, as it will be very unlikely that they will even be arrested.

sorry, just really trying to get through that not everyone is like the person who raped you,[/QUOTE


I'am really sorry to hear what your going through. I will never truly understand.
I can't speak on something I don't truly understand. Please don't apologise.

But what I can say is that, everyone who commits a serious crime should be prosecuted and convicted. Every rapist and false accuser. But in most cases it doesn't happen. In a perfect world they people who hurt us should be prosecuted but we don't live in a perfect world. Sadly!

It's unfair, it's unjust, it's cruel it's wrong. I can list a million things describing how wrong it is. I hear your pain, I hear how much your hurting. I'm getting emotional, don't know why. Probably because you got me thinking of how far I've come. These pasts 3 months I've been really growing spiritually and really healing and recovering and what's helped me is accepting the fact that, they may never reap what they sow' meaning accepting the fact that the people who have wronged us might never receive the punishment we think they deserve.

When you get to a point in life when you begin to accept that you will feel so free.

Back to your point, I understand, it's not just about losing money and jobs, I'm speaking on experience. The reason were here is based on our experience, there's a misconception on here on how easy and great victims, false and genuine victims have it. I've read post after post, oh how easy we got it, oh we have compensation we get immunity. And we're always believed, in cases where there's your word against his. The police or cps will take your word.
Based on my experience it's not true, the cps will not prosecute someone if they don't think they can win, regardless of whether the perpetrator is guilty or innocent.
That's my theory anyway.


If you would like we could continue having this discussion via private message.
P.s I will only respond to positivity won't waste my time on negativity lol


Wish you and your family the best
X

[Shah]

Hello88

Im the same, Im building an army ...lol..

You cant get on with your lives can you and if you want to rant you rant away just dont put norti words lol.

[Shah]

Aww thank you.. xxxx

I had to laugh as the missing word started with a C and ended in a P...lol..

[hello88]

Hello88

I am so sorry to read of your despair. It is the unknown constant stress that slowly grinds you down. But you have a young family, and as hard as it is, you must stay strong for all of you. Without trying to be really sexist here (and apologies to any men) but Mums and Woman, put everyone else in front of themselves. WE have to be strong, and one day, you will come out the other side, stronger in character and as a mum and a wife.

Try and enjoy quiet times with your children. I dont know how old they are or anything about you. But dig deep, and come on here and rant and rave, we WILL support you. If I could give you and your "babies" a hug, I would, and I would wave the magic wand we all look for, but rarely find.

But as you say (and in my highlighted part) Not everyone is like the person that Raped Bene

xx

aww thank you, yeah, just reading back i was on a bit of a rant haha, i just dont want ANYONE to have the impression that falsely accused can 'just get on with their lifes' that is far far FAR from the case (its not even just mentally, we physically can't, getting on with our lifes would mean OH home, would mean no fear of going to prison looming over us, would mean no bail restrictions and would mean no social services (no fear of having children taken away).....sorry ranting again lol(the list could go even longer)), especially as i have never in my whole life said or even thought that rape victims can 'just get on with their lifes' - on both 'sides' there is always some people with incredible strength who can but saying that us accused (falsley or not) can just get on with lifes is in my opinion (and i'm sure many others) is invalid.

Wow, sorry i'm really on the rant this week lol - but yeah probably need a bit of quiet time with the kids, so far this morning i spent an hour thinking of a revengful plan and another hour talking myself out if, reminding myself that i am better than them, still working on the better not bitter saying though!!

and great to still see you on here amandaF

oh and shah - sorry to hear, yeah, i have been reassured by many of my friends that the truth will come out, it will be known what has been done and just to stay faithful to that hope - some days harder than others

[Staystrong1]

Very true

Hi shah

Thanks for taking time to post when you are going through such a dark time. I think you have put it very eloquently. Sending strength to you xx

[Shah]

Im sending hugs to those that need it and my guess a lot of you/us need them right now. My heart goes out particulary to those who have small children, how you can be strong I dont know but you just have to be and as someone said
you will come out the other side you know the truth so you hold your head up high keep your dignity because you know you and your family as so much better than the FA!!!
We will never forget these dark times BUT we wont be spending the rest of our lives looking over our shoulders will we!

This is a total nightmare time not helped by christmas coming up ( we are not going to even celebrate, no great biggy to be honest ) we have had a year of this **** and son gets sentenced two days before xmas !

It seems to me that the Police and CPS will bend over backwards to get historical sex abuse convictions there does not even have to be any evidence just one word against another or in Neil Fox case 6 people !!
He was found NG shame about those of us that have not had that relief of hearing those words with our loved ones!

it will be a case of before long men wont feel safe being alone with any woman for fear of being accused of something they never did and knowing just something being said can send them to prison ( it really is as simple
as that thanks to the this witch hunt going on even to accusing dead people!!! )

Justice should be a two way street but its not. Police CPS can edit any *evidence* to suit their needs to get a conviction. As for saying about abuse that happened 50 years ago get justice for that yes if its totally affected your life and you have concrete proof of it. Thats like saying too I was abused at school ( bullying ) I want them sent to prison !!!

AS the mother of someone who has had a FA against my son this is purely done as revenge. Everything about its been a total joke, they dont want any publicity because they know it will make them look really stupid and would then allow anybody to do the same thing. Common sense never came into it, its all about statistics for the government. You never see any statistics about how many people have been falsly accused anywhere do you!

Remember as well there is a thing called Karma ( where I work Karma has certainly happened so I know what goes around comes around!! believe me it will ! )

Hope peeps understand what Im saying I know some of you write things much better than me and Welcome back AMANDA xxx

[Arsenal12]

Dear staying strong, I respect your views and opinions but I don't entirely agree with you. I don't know much about the case, I've done some reading and from what I can gather. He was acquitted by a judge and not a jury. I'm not sure whether it was more than 1 judge. But I think that if it was jury the verdict most probably would of been different.


The problem as you have already outlined with historical cases is the lack of evidence the cps usually don't prosecute unless their is more than 1 victim. In situations where you have more than 1 person accousing the same person of the samething most of the time there's some truth to that.
I'm not saying his guilty or innocent, but 6 women? Unless they are all sisters or know each other but personally there's no way they're are all lying. Not all 6)
Perhaps I'm wrong I don't know.


I don't understand how you can say if the allegations are true than how is he a victim? Simply because he lost his job and money. What about his potential victims what about what they've lost? Theyre identities may be hidden but you don't what struggles they may have had. Or the damage this has had on them. It's not just accoucers who lost their jobs, money. Family, friends and relationships. I lost so much when I was raped, I lost friends who either couldn't handle what happened to me, or didn't want to believe me. I failed my first year of uni, rarely left my house. And haven't been in a relationship since. While my attacker has happily went on wit his life. Got a promotion from work, he has friends and family support. Went on nights out romantic get away with his gf) my rapist hasn't been effected by this. He treated the investigation like a joke, he changed his number after his interview and the police couldn't reach him, they had to tell his sister that he was N.F.A) it's a damn joke.
If he did do this than he deseres everything he gets. And if he truly is innocent than I'm sorry for him.


When someone is acquitted innocent until proven guilty theme song but when someone is convicted. Oh how unfair the system is) is unjust biased!

A good example of this is ched Evans, he was convicted of rape, many people believe in his innocence.

He spent 2 years in prison comes out and pretty much goes back to the same life he had before. While his victim has had to change her identity, and be away from her family and friends. So who has lost what in that situation?


And in regards to your last comment,
I was a victim of child sexual abuse when I was 8 and 9) and I've never truly "gotten over it" I believe it truly damaged me in so many ways. Looking back now I wish I had gone to the police when it happened. I could have saved so many other young girls going through what I went through. Because tomorrow God forbid) it may be my sister or my future daughter.

I believe that we should always encourage and applaud genuine victims of child abuse rapes coming forward regardless of whether it had happened 5 minutes ago or 50 years ago.
For you to say what will I gain' I don't know a little thing called justice!! The thing that everyone on this forum fights for' we all deserve it!
its really sad that you think that you have nothing to gain but everything to lose from reporting your abuse'.


Anyway!
I hope you have a good night
X

You state that ched Evans has gone back to his normal life!!!!!!!!!

Either you clearly have not followed his story carefully....or you are yet again trying to cause a stir on this forum!!!

Ched Evans has NOT GONE back to his normal life as you clearly suggest!

The case against him was laden with discrepancies......

He was mentally tortured in prison.... Since his release....he has faced humiliation...... Abuse...... And is struggling to find work!!!!!!


He is a clear example of a miscarriage of justice......

His "alleged victim" should have thought about the consequences when she made such vile and false accusations!!!!!!!!

You say you have not read to much about DJ fox's case....perhaps you should read the case fully...before starting to debate!!!!!!....as you are clearly taking his case for face value!!!!!...

When eventually Ched Evans clears his name.......what will your response be then?....I wonder.....

[Stayingstrong]

Sorry just a few comments from some small things highlighted here (for discussion not critisicm) he is a celebrity it may (i say may) be that when one allegation came along the other may (yet again, may) of thought, oh i met him once, i think i may be able to get compensation for this.... so really i don't think that rule applies for celebrities, its never made you wonder why they've all decided to come foward at around the same time???

It is wayyy more than 'loosing job and family' did you not read my previous post??? (or the posts of many other) that is the hell i've had in just the last WEEK (and yesterday it just got worse but no time to explain) i will one day write up everything (crying throughout) even though it was 6 months ago its still engrained in my head my ritual for several weeks, dealing with crying heartbroken children, facing one of the families who did this to me everyday, lying to closest friends about where my OH is, and then after all that after putting my kids to bed (knowing that in an hour or two they'll be up screaming) i would then phone my OH who was so depressed that just words could go so far that whilst i scream down the phone "promise me you wont do anything stupid, promise me you wont end your life" he couldn't give an answer, staying awake all night crying, whilst having Social worker on my back prepared to take my children away at any time........

whilst the accuser went out partying..

so all the above,for us where will the justice be in that, as it will be very unlikely that they will even be arrested.

sorry, just really trying to get through that not everyone is like the person who raped you,

Hello88

I am so sorry to read of your despair. It is the unknown constant stress that slowly grinds you down. But you have a young family, and as hard as it is, you must stay strong for all of you. Without trying to be really sexist here (and apologies to any men) but Mums and Woman, put everyone else in front of themselves. WE have to be strong, and one day, you will come out the other side, stronger in character and as a mum and a wife.

Try and enjoy quiet times with your children. I dont know how old they are or anything about you. But dig deep, and come on here and rant and rave, we WILL support you. If I could give you and your "babies" a hug, I would, and I would wave the magic wand we all look for, but rarely find.

But as you say (and in my highlighted part) Not everyone is like the person that Raped Bene

xx

[Stayingstrong]

Why do people feel the need to justify themselves to one person who clearly only has empathy for rape victims, genuine or otherwise?
Sorry - couldn't keep quiet any longer, Once again, waiting for a backlash.

Welcome Back AmandaF - Please stay!

xx