Meeting with police

[quinnb]

Hi
I have a meeting with a DI next friday in my latest effort to get my status changed from NFA to No crime
Can anyone give me some advice please on what to do?
For example
Is there any legal action I can threaten?
Is there any higher authority I can go to
Is there any one that I could take with me or who would represent me?
In short any help/suggestions would be useful?
Assuming - big assume mind would it make logical sense as soon as it is no crimed then the accuser would be arrested - as if I did not commit a crime surely then she did! What arguments can they use against this? and what arguments can I use back.
Then really getting ahead of myself - how do I get the DNA taken off. I strongly object to that I am NO criminal!

[friday]

no advice, sorry. just wanted to say good luck and i may not be any practical help but can support you in spirit next friday.

[frankgallagherwasere]

If your offended by Rants dont read "off topic" section

I just know RF is awaiting my response to this post so I have made the effort not to disappoint . Ive sectioned respective paragraphs "On topic and off topic" so you all know which to skip over if your not interested as I just had to have a RANT , well a little one

On topic
Then really getting ahead of myself - how do I get the DNA taken off. I strongly object to that I am NO criminal!

So what??? Many convicted so called sex offenders arent criminals either do you think that matters or the state cares? After all they, the state, were the ones who manufactured and supported their accusers and conviction.

You have no rights cos you choose to live in the UK. The European Courts told the UK government the DNA database was illegal and as the papers reported the government stuck 2 fingers up at them and stated we hadn't ratified the agreement so they would choose to ignore the ruling.

Off Topic
Change will only come when a new Political Party changes the law exposing and makes these people the criminals they truly are, accusers, Police, judicial. Why do you think they hate the BNP so much??? Cos they support change, albeit not maybe what we all want but the thought of change scares them all cos they all have something to hide and therefore protect !! Why dont they want members of the BNP as Police, just incase they expose their corrupt and deviant methods - they don't want to lose control, Conservatives Labour and Liberals are all goodie goodies, they do what they are told. Don't vote for anyone who wont change the laws to support you !!

Back on topic
Of course your accuser broke the law and committed criminal offences, perverting the course of justice, attempting to defraud the state, wasting Police time but we could say that about many who actually do exactly the same and their accused target got convicted !! The state don't care. Inform and complain to the IPCC and then get onto your MP write to the Chief of your Police demanding action. After all they don't have your accusers DNA on record do they - no but they have yours !! They all probably hope the next accusation she makes is a stronger case, cos she will do it and try again !!

Was I being or did this sound slightly sarcastic, sorry. Ive stopped ranting and laughing now - have fun !!! For god sack dont tell the Police you will vote for the BNP, you could find yourself in even more hot water thats the sort of place we all live in when you dont have a right and freedom to vote for any political party you choose.

My advice - go somewhere that doesnt have a nany state police system.

Seriously off topic
Viva la revolution. We might hate the French but they got their Judicial right, actually History is kind to the French if your a Scot, they were our best allies. If they hadnt been fighting the rest of Europe at the same time (and the odd bad storm that killed some of their soldiers on route) we might have crushed the English and had a United Britain under Scottish and Glasgow rule, instead our Monarchy had to take the English Crown and accept Edinburgh as our Capital and London our rulers - damn those inconsiderate French - oops I went off topic again. (Smout History of the Scottish People 1560-1830)

Now I await with anticipation for RF to respond - go for it, ok what is my punishment and detention Miss

[quinnb]

I must admit I have had my rants at the police and on here - but not that I would ever tell them this they did do me a favour in sorts.
By the investigating my case and her false claims meant that instead of me paying 500 month to the CSA - she got our baby taken into care as the allegations was so serious - she maintained them and still is as far as I am aware. Then the evidence or lack of it more to the point the police came up meant in the family court I was totally exhonerated in a matter of hours by the judge - she is out of the game entirley and now I am going through a parential assessment in order to get custody of my baby!

So they may have not conducted a good as investigation in the time scales I wanted and demanded at the time, They have missed things and I still maintain the DC in the case was rude arrogant and exhibited Key stone cop policing at the time - he did enough by luck or by judgement to put me in a very good postition now.

Also I really thought making a complaint over a year later they would just tell me to go away - but they have not and are least pretending to take me seriously.

[frankgallagherwasere]

well all the best for you and your little one, yes some potentially good news out of such a horrible situation. Unfortunately many of the lads I came across on the inside were there due to their xwife - usually the accusations came as a way of removing the original fathers influence over "their" child - my case was along these lines just not my family !! False Accusations are simply inexcusable amd sexual ones well - we all know the damage they cause

Fingers crossed for you, hope things turn out for the best.

The arguement is it should never have got to trial, unless the Crown thought they had a chance of winning, so who can you believe and trust

[quinnb]

I know this getting a little off topic
But the baby is now just coming up 2 a year old
I have just completed a 10 week parential assessment which I fitted in around my work, I passed that with flying colours it was very postitive
Now they are talking about sending me to a residential for 12 weeks at a 50000 cost and me having to give me job up!!! who says it is credit crunch Britain!
But I will do what I have to do for that baby full stop.
All I want is the allegation now off my record so it does not affect any future employment prospects. Am I really asking to much?

[frankgallagherwasere]

This is your own baby isnt it? I really dont understand why there asking so much from you, a court should just give you custodial rights especially after the mother was clearly such a liability. Something wrong somewhere. If you dont have a job how can u financially support it, or maybe thats what they hope !! I smell a rat and I dont like it.

the credit cruch?? Oh yes the banks demanding £400b to sort their own debt out whilst the rest of the country goes to ruin. Clever people Bankers u know.

[friday]

is your employer understanding? would they allow you the three months off aome as annual leave and the rest unpaid with the possibility of working flexi-time to accomodate your child. i dont know what you do and whether its feasible but its worth asking what your options are. if they consider you an asset they may well meet your needs.

thats great news though. bet your baby will be so happy to have some stability back.

guess social services are being super careful after baby p etc. also i think that if a child has been in care they have to continue to monitor the family for a while. and look for signs of emotional disturbance not necessarily relating to the childs home life but perhaps due to the lack of stability in its earlier life etc. not sure if that is a national thing or just protocol in the borough i did work experience in though.

[frankgallagherwasere]

slight contradiction in terms though when the government want single parents to work and Social services want wannabe single parents to leave their work???

Madness. However I am all for support I would not be here if the mother had lost her kids for acting the way she did.

[quinnb]

Yes the baby p thing is why they are doing this - but a rough calculation of cost and to break things down slightly
Foster carer for a year 6k
The company that provides support workers 60 pounds per hour + 20 per hour travelling 9 hours a week = 600 pounds per week + mums limited contact now but she still has it. comes to about 2700 per month makes 30k per year.
My legal aid cert is 25k meaning mums is meaning baby as he has a guardian appointed to him and then the local authority fees comes to about 100k on legal fees which does not include court or barrister fees which must be close to another 50k.
Residential is 50k for 12 weeks
Parential assessment conducted by Action For Children must be about 5k
Plus the money they charge for thier room must be a couple of hundred a week which comes in at 5k a year. So all together plus other costs it is costing 300k times that for the kids in care and that is one VERY big bill to the tax payer.

And Frank wish is was as simple as that. I really thought I was doing the right thing by coming forward and making a claim to be that babies daddy and would have got some credit for it - yeah right!
So far I have had to...
Have a CRB check
DNA test
Drugs test
Liver test
Go to see a shrink and a physolgist
All my medical records literally examined with a microscope.
I had a few problems as a kid -30 years ago and the deal they have made about that. The shrink ripped me to shreds and said I had autism which considering I am in a job that pays over 40k per year and my own dotor laughed at it - they did not and took it very seriously and tried to make out I was some kind of nutter - whoops not allowed to say that word sorry - got into trouble for calling the mum that.
A fact finding hearing which took 3 days over these silly rape allegations that were made against me. Though the judge made his mind up within a few hours in the interest of fairness and natural justice it took that long.
5 different social workers and soon to have another one. Which unbelievably the first 2 social workers I had believed mums story and the first 2 times I was in court I was mauled and ripped to peices with them making me out to be a drug taking violent rapist pimp
A whole lot more mud throwing at me - which I am glad to say none has stuck.
They threatened to send me to prison for 2 years for posting pictures of my baby on facebook!!! - I had to take them down pretty quickly.
A 10 week parential assessment
Now a 12 week residential assessment which is not confirmed yet but looking favourite.
They also want me to move 160 miles away so I am no where near mum just in case I let her have him if/when they leave me alone. Does not matter I have not seen her for months. Yet they told me I have to potray her in a positive light so I kind of made my peace with her - but then they told me not to but only in so many words. Talk about them having thier cake and eating it there - dammed if I do dammed if I dont.
They want me to give up work and good point Frank the government want me to work - they dont!
I am not allowed to take him in to town or introduce him to my friends a year later. The support workers follow me everywhere, If they go to the toilet baby goes with them or if they leave the room baby goes with them.
When they do let me have some freedom they told me that anyone who goes near him will have to have a police check - so can;t even invite someone in for a cup of tea without them filling in a CRB form!
My sister also has had to have a CRB - they have done full background checks on my long dead dad to make sure he was not an abuser.
They have been to her house and checked the toilet seat was not up etc as she said (which is true) she lives alone.
She has to get a letter saying she is not going to drop dead tomorrow


So where as I undersand they only are doing thier jobs and babys best interests at heart and I guess I have to thank them for that, sometimes I think this is an overkill.
BUT I WILL PUT THIS IN CAPS - I HAVE A DUTY OF CARE TO THAT BABY AND I ALSO LOVE HIM AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO BE A DADDY TO HIM. I only hope they let me. They have a BIG stick pretty much at any stage they can say adoption. So meaning I could have no job no baby being the worse case scenario,
I through all of this have got ulcers in my mouth got rash on my body and other signs of stress but yet they don't understand that and keep pushing me and pushing me.

So Frank think again - it is not easy at all. The final hearing is in October lets see what happens.

[friday]

you say its cheaper but prob not in the long term if we believe statistics that kids in care have more mental health problems and drug issues (and i do believe that is accurate) so nhs will have to pay, also care leavers are entitled to self contained accomodation after living in supported housing (staff 23/7 so costly) so at 16-18 they will either get a council flat (they get a lot of points for being in care cos council has a duty to house them) or else they will be entitled to housing benefit to pay for a 1 bed flat, whereas under 25s who are not care leavers have to share (unless they have severet disabilities). there key work sessions weekly will cost, as will yearly psych evaluations, counselling.....

[quinnb]

yes I have read a book by Vera Falhburg a childs journey through placment which indicates alot what you said + all the research I have done backs what you said nicely up.
You seem very knowledable in this??? can you tell me a bit about yourself
M/F etc - backgound to being on this site and why or how you know all this. (You seem to know what you are talking about)
I could do with someone who can help me a little - in exchange I have a fair bit of knowledge to impart myself.

Going back to the topic though where as I agree with you this is not a child or a young adult this is a baby who if this get sorted out soon then hopefully there will be no lasting damage on him. I would prefer him to be adopted rather than him have mental issues later in life. That would be painful for me but it is not about me it is about him and he comes first not just with SS with me to,

[frankgallagherwasere]

It should be, what your experiencing is just further examples of tax payers being ripped off !!! I can see no excuse for any of it to be honest, especially as you say you have a good job and they expect you to leave it, and £40k in the current climate is a small fortune.

The women (mother) behind my case was a half way house for children (under 18s) and a councillor, if it had come out she was how we said she was and had been able to tell the true story about her use of drugs and the rest (her son abusing one of our sons friends and she was only 14) there would have been an almighty stink so it was easier to just frame us and keep the rest under wraps !!

I bet if you had accused and got someone convicted they would have handed the baby over on a plate no expences incurred by the state and taxpayer - you would be a good citizen in their eyes !!

[Hedgecroft]

Try your MP

Why do you not write to your MP about the matter and send a copy of the letter to the Chief Constable of your police authority. At worse this will force the police to put it in writing why they will not change it.

[friday]

quninnb-hi. joined this site after the first trial against the man who raped me was a hung jury and stayed after the second trial was a not guilty cos i needed somewhere where people realised the systemn doesnt always work.

i'm not really knowledgable about much just absorb random information. been homeless for the last 2 years so know far too much about housing legislation due to the fact that if you dont the council just give you false info to get rid of you. currently seeing a housing solicitor so gathering more random facts from her. in the homeless hostels a lot of the young people are care leavers (at 16 they move to supported accomomodation until they are believed to be able to manage independently). a fair few of my friends are care leavers too (mainly in london but a few elsewhere). i also did work experience in the childrens division of a social services department (was given far more responsibilities than someone of my age should have been given and with no crb, no forms signed to say i wouldnt pass on info etc). saw a place for girls who are being sexually exlpoited to go get counselling, use the gym, std tests etc. that was a real eye-opener. i also volunteered at the big issue so just talked to loads of people. my mum used to be a nursery nurse in a social services nursery with many at risk kids so i guess i grew up asking questions and hearing some horrendous stories. i'm a psychology student too (well will be starting my degree in september hopefully) so i just read eveything i can get my hands on. i'm a bit of a nerd really. if i can help with info on anything i will. i havent been in a childrens social services for 3/4 years but i dont think there have been too many major changes. i could be wrong though.

might have to look up that book. sounds interesting.