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    Default Falsely accused after a night out - a blog

    This was written by a member of accused.me. Worth a read at any stage of your journey.

    https://15for15dealingwithafalsealle...wordpress.com/
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    Thank you for posting this. It's very powerful.
    'Mongolian Warriors had the courage of lions, the patience of hounds, the prudence of cranes, the long-sightedness of ravens, the wildness of wolves, the passion of fightingcocks, the keenness of cats, the fury of wild boars and the cunning of foxes.' BE A MONGOLIAN WARRIOR WHEN DEFENDING YOUR INNOCENCE!

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    Absolutely superb! Beautifully written piece...articulates so well the experience of the writer. Many thanks to the author and to Peter for sharing on this forum.

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    REALLY interesting post, but not sure what happened to my computer, but I never got to read the end of the story...what happened at his court case?

    Do any of you guys know what the usual sentence if found guilty for 'sexual assault' without penetration is?

    Thanks Peter for posting this up

    Sam

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    Quote Originally Posted by imsam View Post
    REALLY interesting post, but not sure what happened to my computer, but I never got to read the end of the story...what happened at his court case?

    Do any of you guys know what the usual sentence if found guilty for 'sexual assault' without penetration is?

    Thanks Peter for posting this up

    Sam
    He was found not guilty in 15 minutes.

    The sentence depends on the law at the time if the offence amongst other things, so it depends if the accusation is historic and if the law has changed. If you look on the CPS website there's lots of information about sentencing there.
    'Mongolian Warriors had the courage of lions, the patience of hounds, the prudence of cranes, the long-sightedness of ravens, the wildness of wolves, the passion of fightingcocks, the keenness of cats, the fury of wild boars and the cunning of foxes.' BE A MONGOLIAN WARRIOR WHEN DEFENDING YOUR INNOCENCE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by imsam View Post
    REALLY interesting post, but not sure what happened to my computer, but I never got to read the end of the story...what happened at his court case?

    Do any of you guys know what the usual sentence if found guilty for 'sexual assault' without penetration is?

    Thanks Peter for posting this up

    Sam
    at the end of the page, click earlier posts - counter intuitive, I know. I was in the same position.

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    So much of this is a shared story. I wish those who instantly call the FA's "victims" could read it and see who the real victims are. Excellent peace and very well written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalked View Post
    at the end of the page, click earlier posts - counter intuitive, I know. I was in the same position.
    Thanks Stalker, I'll read it later, its a great article

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    I have now read all of that wonderful link you put up Peter, thanks again for doing that,

    One thing scared me, the cost of the trial 60,000.00 for a one and a half day trial If I do have to go to court I envisage a much longer trial for myself ( not sure if it was my solicitor who said a week, or if I read a similar case on this site that took a week) I have a private solicitor now who I have paid to come to the police station etc with me. Will I have to pay the cost of a long court hearing if found guilty? There is no way I could afford to pay that kind of money. I do earn a decent wage and do own my own house, could I still get legal aid? Sometimes the more I read on here the worse my situation seems to be, so although I am learning how to help myself, several things I have read have filled my with an awful sense of doom.

    Can I go back to the original solicitor who was the one given to me at the police station in the first place? as I was on legal aid then. This new solicitor has only just seen me at his offices once and attended my last bail hearing , which I paid him for

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    Quote Originally Posted by imsam View Post
    I have now read all of that wonderful link you put up Peter, thanks again for doing that,

    One thing scared me, the cost of the trial 60,000.00 for a one and a half day trial If I do have to go to court I envisage a much longer trial for myself ( not sure if it was my solicitor who said a week, or if I read a similar case on this site that took a week) I have a private solicitor now who I have paid to come to the police station etc with me. Will I have to pay the cost of a long court hearing if found guilty? There is no way I could afford to pay that kind of money. I do earn a decent wage and do own my own house, could I still get legal aid? Sometimes the more I read on here the worse my situation seems to be, so although I am learning how to help myself, several things I have read have filled my with an awful sense of doom.

    Can I go back to the original solicitor who was the one given to me at the police station in the first place? as I was on legal aid then. This new solicitor has only just seen me at his offices once and attended my last bail hearing , which I paid him for
    The short answer is probably but you may have to make contributions (which are capped and you would get back on acquittal) Legal aid is very complicated and I can't pretend to understand it but you would need to earn in the region of 50k or have a joint income of more than approx 100,000 to not qualify at all. I think this is the page you need to look at if you want to see if you pass the means test:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/criminal...-means-testing

    Everyone is entitled to free police station legal advice when being interviewed including premier league footballers and billionaires but you would only get a legally aided solicitor for pre charge advice if you earn less than 99 a week.

    I would say 60k is slightly expensive for a short trial but I have heard of some paying private sols much much more and with private sols you get nothing back even if you win. It is something of a myth that you get what you pay for, the majority of cases are fought and won on legal aid.

    Hopefully you won't be charged but if you are it is important to get a good solicitor.

    The most recommended private solicitor is Chris Saltrese who works nationwide.

    On legal aid, Paul Legg of freemans in London is highly recommended. I hear nothing but good things about either of them.

    They are both listed on this Google map.
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    Default Hello all

    Firstly a big thank you to Pete, for sharing my blog, secondly to the user worrying about 60,000 court fees, that was my error. I didn't pay a penny as I was unemployable during those 15 months and therefore granted full legal aid.

    The 60,000 I mentioned was the trial's cost to the taxpayer, in terms of barrister and judges wages, court fees etc.

    Good luck to you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falselyaccused5 View Post
    Firstly a big thank you to Pete, for sharing my blog.

    Thank you for writing it falselyaccused5, I am sure it will help others here and I hope that writing it helped you too.
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    Adding my thanks here too, falselyaccused5, together with best wishes for your future.
    'Mongolian Warriors had the courage of lions, the patience of hounds, the prudence of cranes, the long-sightedness of ravens, the wildness of wolves, the passion of fightingcocks, the keenness of cats, the fury of wild boars and the cunning of foxes.' BE A MONGOLIAN WARRIOR WHEN DEFENDING YOUR INNOCENCE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by falselyaccused5 View Post
    Firstly a big thank you to Pete, for sharing my blog, secondly to the user worrying about 60,000 court fees, that was my error. I didn't pay a penny as I was unemployable during those 15 months and therefore granted full legal aid.

    The 60,000 I mentioned was the trial's cost to the taxpayer, in terms of barrister and judges wages, court fees etc.

    Good luck to you all.
    THANK YOU FALSELY ACCUSED 5 for taking the time and trouble to write such a brilliant blog, I am sure it will be read over and over during the coming years by deeply distressed guys like myself and it will help them get through the agony in some small way, and I am glad of any relief I can get during these agonising months

    Also thank you Peter for again, explaining everything so well for me.

    I earn more than 50 K a year

    Would you advise me to stay with the solicitor have now who I am paying, until I get an NFA or a charge, then change to Chris Saltrese , or stay with my solicitor but recommend one of the barristers from this site, not use the one my solicitor chooses ?
    My solicitor is just a local criminal solicitor, but don't think he has any special experience in FA cases

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    Quote Originally Posted by imsam View Post

    Would you advise me to stay with the solicitor have now who I am paying, until I get an NFA or a charge, then change to Chris Saltrese , or stay with my solicitor but recommend one of the barristers from this site, not use the one my solicitor chooses ?
    My solicitor is just a local criminal solicitor, but don't think he has any special experience in FA cases
    I would say that as your current solicitor knows your case then yes, stay with him for now. You may not need to call on him anymore anyway unless police request a further interview or you can provide further evidence that may prevent a charge.

    Only if you are charged do you really have a decision to make. Both the solicitors I mentioned come highly recommended and have gotten some great results. Please search daftmoo for some members testimony to this fact. I would contact both in the event you are charged, there is nothing stopping you paying Paul Legg privately.
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    Thanks again Peter.. I feel I know you by now you are always there for me

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    I have just read another thread and it seems I have understated the qualifying threshold for legal aid. ( I did warn you that I don't have much of a clue!)

    If you are charged give Harvey Fox at Freemans a ring and he will put you straight:

    http://www.freemanssolicitors.net/si...ile/harvey_fox
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    imsam

    If you are charged and decide to pay privately, the best of all is Chris Saltrese (details in my tagline) and he uses an absolutely fabulous QC Tania Griffiths. He also uses barristers who are not QCs (cheaper) and all hand picked.

    Where in the UK are you - remind me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rights Fighter View Post
    imsam

    If you are charged and decide to pay privately, the best of all is Chris Saltrese (details in my tagline) and he uses an absolutely fabulous QC Tania Griffiths. He also uses barristers who are not QCs (cheaper) and all hand picked.

    Where in the UK are you - remind me?

    Just North of London near the M25

    Thanks RF

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    Can you tell me , if I am charged, can I stay with the solicitor I have got at the moment , but ask him to use Tania Griffiths as the barrister ? I have already made one change leaving the first 'police' one and feel swapping around a lot is not a good idea. But if you recommend it I will do it. I also read on here a barrister called Claire Dowse and I had it in my mind to try her if charged . All advice welcome

    ALSO can one get an interview with Chris Saltrese for advice but not actually change to him? as I have the feeling Chris is REALLY expensive , but as you say the best. ( my present sol is just a local solicitors criminal solicitor seems OK but I really need a good sol)

    Thanks in advance RF

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    Firstly to the author of the story in the link provided - A thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing your unfortunate ordeal in such a powerful, well written piece. You should be proud of yourself for overcoming the hard times you have endured, and being able to share it in such a well written moving piece.

    The story has got me emotional as it is very very similar to what has happened to me. I hope my result is a favourable one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imsam View Post
    Rights Fighter

    Can you tell me , if I am charged, can I stay with the solicitor I have got at the moment , but ask him to use Tania Griffiths as the barrister ? I have already made one change leaving the first 'police' one and feel swapping around a lot is not a good idea. But if you recommend it I will do it. I also read on here a barrister called Claire Dowse and I had it in my mind to try her if charged . All advice welcome

    ALSO can one get an interview with Chris Saltrese for advice but not actually change to him? as I have the feeling Chris is REALLY expensive , but as you say the best. ( my present sol is just a local solicitors criminal solicitor seems OK but I really need a good sol)

    Thanks in advance RF

    Hi Imsam - i think it depends if you are on legal aid or private, however tania is a QC so would cost more i believe either way. RF could answer properly but I'm guessing.

    In terms of Chris's cost i think it depends on case

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by imsam View Post
    THANK YOU FALSELY ACCUSED 5 for taking the time and trouble to write such a brilliant blog, I am sure it will be read over and over during the coming years by deeply distressed guys like myself and it will help them get through the agony in some small way, and I am glad of any relief I can get during these agonising months

    Also thank you Peter for again, explaining everything so well for me.

    I earn more than 50 K a year

    Would you advise me to stay with the solicitor have now who I am paying, until I get an NFA or a charge, then change to Chris Saltrese , or stay with my solicitor but recommend one of the barristers from this site, not use the one my solicitor chooses ?
    My solicitor is just a local criminal solicitor, but don't think he has any special experience in FA cases

    just another thing. If you earn this much you could afford Chris. Ive kept an eye on your posts, please remain calm and not over think things! it could be NFA. however in the mean time ... save money, keep your mind free (gym, sports, socialising), and keep a good support network.

    i personally know some of those can be hard like socialising, as i have gone into hibernation somewhat as my friends say! However keeping active has been a big help so please try to keep your mind busy as the original article has said.

    It is good that you are gaining knowledge, i hope you have written all details down to a TEE, and hopefully it doesn't go any further.

    Bob

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    Bob you're a great guy , that with all your own worries at the moment you care about someone else . Appreciate it mate

    I am routing for you too

    Sam

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    A very moving story which brought me to tears and got me in touch with some of my own feelings related to my own situation of being falsely accused. As highlighted by the writer, a not guilty verdict is no cause for celebration when you have been through 15 months of trauma and lost so much and all for something you never did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob1234 View Post
    Hi Imsam - i think it depends if you are on legal aid or private, however tania is a QC so would cost more i believe either way. RF could answer properly but I'm guessing.

    In terms of Chris's cost i think it depends on case

    Bob


    Sorry just seen this

    Tania is a QC and it's unlikely you will get her on legal aid. Anyone thinking about instructing Chris Saltrese would need to speak with him as it varies case to case.
    Chris Saltrese Solicitors - private client only: http://www.chrissaltrese.co.uk/contact-us/ - Telephone: 01704 535 512:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rights Fighter View Post
    Sorry just seen this

    Tania is a QC and it's unlikely you will get her on legal aid. Anyone thinking about instructing Chris Saltrese would need to speak with him as it varies case to case.
    Thanks RF.....not too sure if it matters how long it takes to reply to me, as I fear I have at least a year or more just waiting in this hell.

    I am thinking I will leave doing anything until I get charged or NFA'd , from what I glean on here nothing at all can happen until then. Or can it?

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