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    Hi everyone, I've been using this forum for information for a while now since I was falsely accused of rape following a night out and it's been a great help so far.

    So, my story. Following a night out at the end of May, I'd lost my friends in a club and just decided to go home, I walked to the taxi rank and got told to wait outside for the next avaible taxi. This is when I met a girl who was in the queue. We talked and general flirting took place, complementing each other etc and we decided to share a taxi together and it was on the way home she told me to come back to hers to which I agreed (I wish I could take that back now &#128553 When we arrived at her house, I went to pay but didnt have enough money and I needed more to get home after as well, so told her to go in and I'd go to a cash machine and come back (the taxi driver took me and brought me back). So I arrived back at her house and she let me in where consensual sex took place. It was during this that she just came out with 'what the f**k, what the F**k I've got a boyfriend and kid' to which I was shocked at her and told her not to worry, she then asked me to get my cloths on and leave. I said okay and realised she had regretted what had just happened and felt guilty. My phone had died so I asked her if she could ring me a taxi and I told her my address and off I went still trying to get my head around her reaction. Fast forward to the next afternoon and I was arrest and interviewed and now on bail till the end of October.

    A few things in the interview I was told is that she Is saying it was a different taxi rank where we met at a different location in town (cctv will prove she Is wrong) and also she said I followed her in when we arrived at her house and pushed my way into her house, which is also a lie as I went to a cash machine and arrived 5/10 minutes later after dropping her off where she let me in. So I'm hoping the taxi driver can back this up or see cctv from the shop I went to with the cash machine.

    I can't believe I'm going through this and it's hard. I've been told my case is now with the cps and I'm so scared trying to get on with life and work etc. Never had any dealings with the police before and felt like a criminal spending hours and hours in a cell for something I'm innocent of. Why would she want to destroy my life? Does she even realise the consequences of her words!

    Thank you for reading, could just do with a little support!

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    Firstly let me say I'm sorry you've found yourself here but this forum has almost kept me sane so I hope it does the same for you.

    It's uncanny how similar your story is to mine, although the girl I was with never mentioned a boyfriend or that anything was wrong at the time of the consensual sez. (You didnt meet this girl in Scotland by chance?)

    Mines was similar in the way that you met, mine was at the end of nightclub closing.
    I was arrested a month later when the Police traced me through DNA.

    It's ridiculous that a girl can falsely cry rape and the CPS runs with it with very basic info and not hearing both sides of the coin but unforunately it is a reality.

    Yours clearly has a reason and a motive, regret obvs.

    I was arrested 18 months ago and only now have I found out that I am indeed going to trial. It's not easy but I believe in the truth, and that won't falter.
    Hopefully the liar will slip up.

    Like your FA, mines details of the event are wrong and we will hopefully address that. Liars generally screw up their story so that the truth may out.d

    All I'll say is prepare yourself to fight for you freedom and hope it all ends up well for you.

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    Hello and a sad welcome to Daftmoo Danny.

    If you have been reading you will know that yours is a familiar story and hiding or regretting infidelity is an extremely common motive behind those that make false allegations. You are certainly not alone.

    You have a lot in your favour by the way of corroborating your version of events. One would like to think that the police made every effort to track down both taxi drivers for a start, CCTV from the shop and your own bank statement would confirm that you used a cash machine which would undermine her lie that you pushed your way in and she must have opened the door when you returned. On top of that, after her changing her mind you willingly gave her your address so she could call you a cab and presumably you had some awkward moments waiting for it.

    I suggest you write down everything you remember about the night and keep a notebook with you in case any other details suddenly spring to mind.

    There is lots of hope that this will go no further, the majority of cases don't but unfortunately there are no guarantees.

    Should this go further or the cps request more information or further interviews you will need a good solicitor.

    If you let us know roughly which area you are in, the extremely knowledgeable Rights fighter will be along to point you in the right direction.

    Hang in there and try to live life as normally as you can
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    Thank you for your replies. After reading lots of posts on here it's clear to see how many people find themselves in this situation. After my interview, the two detectives seemed nice and took me home and said this sort of thing happens every other day and not to worry but I know from being on here, they are not my friend.

    It seems surreal that the reason I was traced was because I gave my FA my address to book a taxi home. Anyone with any sense would surely see that as I didn't do what she has accused me of?!

    Another thing I've found through social media is that my FA went on a night out with her friends the following weekend and I know that doesn't prove anything but I think a night out, days after being supposably raped would be the last thing on someone's mind ? (not told the police) and I've got screenshots of lots of things which I Feel/hope would show her true character.

    I was informed last week that the police have managed to speak to the taxi driver so that's a positive (hopefully)

    I'm in Yorkshire so any info on that would be useful.

    Thanks, Danny.

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    So much of these situations is surreal, Danny, and I'm sorry that you find yourself in this situation. There's no logic to the lies that FA's tell, but you will get lots of support here.

    You seem to be doing all the right things at the moment, so hang in there and we will help you get through it.
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    hi mate.

    similar situation for me and unfortunately 6 months later i have been charged.

    as mentioned write everything down clearly... the events that took place. don't trust the police. keep a strong support network. hope for the best... prepare for the worst.

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    Sorry to hear about you being charged mate but like everyone on here says, now is your time to get a good defence built and disprove her version of events! Now you can focus on it instead of life in bail limbo! Will be following you and your story and best of luck mate!

    I can't seem to find any posts where anyone in the 'one night stand' situation has been NFA'd by the cps so I really am expecting the worst. Sleepless nights and on the mind 24/7 fearing the worst. At 24, gone from being happy and loving life to being the complete opposite and fearing everything I've worked hard from from leaving school, house, car, good times with friends and family etc could all be taken away from me from one girl and her words is so hard to deal with!

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    Danny - when I used to frequent these forums not so long ago, I definitely remember a one night stand case at the time another member had - he was NFA'd. You have evidence - the cab driver, the bank withdrawal - you should be able to get the bank to corroborate the time for you - do NOT tell them any of this - this is evidence to challenge any timelines the prosecution has. Also the cab company should help you - not only with the time lines but the behaviour of the girl.
    Plenty of NFA's in this arena - in fact this I think is the most common form of allegation. The drunken regretful girl scenario. If the cab driver would be able to corroborate your behaviour towards her (i.e. if it was non-pushy and you were doing her a favour etc.) I would imagine it would stand you in good stead?

    Cheers and best of luck.
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    Hi S, thanks for your message.

    I must have missed that one in the 100's I've looked at. I've also been thinking that and remember the taxi driver saying 'back to ****' the place where she lived when I got back in his taxi from taking cash out so that's something to go on that he knew I was returning to her house but depending on how long after the police spoke to him I just hope he hasn't forgot taking us and what actually happened. Will look at getting my bank statement with times on etc and keep it safe!. He spoke very broken English and that worries meslightly as he might not have understood the conversations taking place in the taxi. Thanks once again for the support, it's the best I've felt since this happened talking to others in situations like this. Danny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny24 View Post
    I'm in Yorkshire so any info on that would be useful.

    Thanks, Danny.
    You've been doing all the right things Danny and keeping an eye on social media and taking those screenshots may be a big help but even if they aren't you've lost nothing.

    I can read RF's mind and I believe she would recommend Hollie Alcock at Jordans in Doncaster.

    http://www.qualitysolicitors.com/jor.../hollie-alcock
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    Thanks Peter, I might give them a ring on Monday and just explain the situation and so they have it on record in case the worse happens! For now though, I've just got to get on with life best I can. I hate what this girl has done to my life!!!

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    Yep, solicitors can't really do a lot while there is an ongoing investigation and they don't get paid by LA for advice outside of the police station but it might help ease your mind if you know who to call should the worst happen.

    Getting on with your life and keeping busy is the best way of coping with the horrible uncertainty. There are plenty of cases similar to yours that get NFA'd. There is always hope.
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    Thanks Peter. Do you know if they have been used in cases similar to mine before? No worries if not. Thank you again for your help, praying for an NFA and still a long wait till the end of October but expecting the worse case scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny24 View Post
    Thanks Peter. Do you know if they have been used in cases similar to mine before? No worries if not. Thank you again for your help, praying for an NFA and still a long wait till the end of October but expecting the worse case scenario.
    Hi Danny

    Jordans are firm being used here. Case is historic so not same as yours. I'm supporting someone Jordans have a good track record with false allegations in general. Lead Solicitor is Mark Newby (google him) RF recommends Hollie I know, other people have recommended Mark himself. I hope RF forgives me for saying it but I think she feels Mark has a more hands off role and someone else does most of the work so she ensures people like Hollie get the recognition. Different solicitor in firm is handling case I'm involved with- can't be faulted so far. Spoke to Mark at point you are at and found it reassuring to know if charge came a solicitor was in place. He went over process at stage and they were contacted when charged. All dealings with the firm have been good, Mark has always picked up emails over weekend & calls always returned promptly.

    It is very easy to feel overwhelmed but a chat with an experienced solicitor will help calm your nerves I'm sure.

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    Thank you for getting in touch walkingnightmare,

    I've had a look at both Mark and Hollie and will ring up and have a chat with them next week just to explain my case and so they can get it on their file if I am eventually charged.

    Sorry just have couple more questions that are going through my head constantly if someone could share their thoughts on if possible..

    So for a start the very first thing in her statement is false and can be proven wrong about the taxi rank and also about me and her getting out the taxi at her house together will also prove her statement wrong.What will they think when I've actually willing told her my address to get home? I'd like to think this shows that I didn't do anything of what I've been accused of and simply but it down to her regretting what had just happened and I left her house once the taxi came... what will the cps think to that? Will the police tell her that her statement is wrong in what she has said and allow her to change her story? Just read a lot about the CPS and getting conviction rates up. Thanks again everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny24 View Post
    Thank you for getting in touch walkingnightmare,

    I've had a look at both Mark and Hollie and will ring up and have a chat with them next week just to explain my case and so they can get it on their file if I am eventually charged.

    Sorry just have couple more questions that are going through my head constantly if someone could share their thoughts on if possible..

    So for a start the very first thing in her statement is false and can be proven wrong about the taxi rank and also about me and her getting out the taxi at her house together will also prove her statement wrong.What will they think when I've actually willing told her my address to get home? I'd like to think this shows that I didn't do anything of what I've been accused of and simply but it down to her regretting what had just happened and I left her house once the taxi came... what will the cps think to that? Will the police tell her that her statement is wrong in what she has said and allow her to change her story? Just read a lot about the CPS and getting conviction rates up. Thanks again everyone!
    Yes, thanks WN. It's always good to have some feedback about sols. Mark Newby does have a very good reputation and I dare say you are correct about why RF chooses to praise Hollie.

    As for your questions Danny, I would say the mistake about the taxi rank is irrelevant, an easy mistake to make especially if she had a few to drink, unless she was trying to divert the police from looking at the cctv.. The rest of your version can be somewhat corroborated by the taxi drivers. The second one in particular may have witnessed you knock on the door on your return from the bank, it is more than possible that she may "remember" that you popped off and may change her story to say that this was when you pushed your way in... the fact that you gave her your address and that she apparently remembered it the next morning when she called the police I would say speaks in your favour, as does the fact that she called a taxi at all... why not call the police?

    What can never be corroborated is what actually happened when the two of you were in private. Many people are astonished how easy it is for someone to cry rape with no physical evidence at all but unfortunately, this is often what a rape case is and the first hand witness testimony of a complainant can be enough to charge with, even when they are blatantly making it up.

    I wish I could predict what the cps will think, or what the police will do but even if they eventually decide to charge you it's not the end of the world. A jury is much more difficult to convince with a pack of lies.
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    Thanks once again Peter for your opinions and support. I understand what your saying, she may have just forgot after a few drinks and she could quite easily change her story and say that is was actually when I returned I pushed my way in. I do hope the taxi driver saw me knocking and being willingly aloud in because other than it, it does comeback to her word against mine. I'd like to know what time she called the police because it wasn't till the next afternoon I was arrested, so I'm presuming it wasn't until the next day she did... so did she have a sleep and wake up and then call? I'd have thought she'd have called straight away or as soon as I'd left if that was the case! Jeez I can't believe her social media page, looks like the boyfriend left her a week after I was arrested and then only a week after that saying she had just found out she is seeing a man who is getting married and thinking about turning up at the wedding to say Hi... there is more but won't say what as I think it could be a massive help in the case to show her true credibility of the accusation she has made. Screenshots with dates and times all done and saved!

    If it does get to court, would she be able to see screenshot of social media etc before cross examination or could a defence team just come out with it in court and question her if they agreed it could be helpful to discredit her?

    Let's hope if it comes down to that, they will see it and her for what she is... just a scary thought having your life in the hands of 12 people! I can't deal with it and trying not to think about any of that yet.

    Never thought I'd find myself here, but I'm so greatful for this forum and the people here! It really does bring some comfort to a horrible situation!

    Danny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny24 View Post

    If it does get to court, would she be able to see screenshot of social media etc before cross examination or could a defence team just come out with it in court and question her if they agreed it could be helpful to discredit her?

    Let's hope if it comes down to that, they will see it and her for what she is... just a scary thought having your life in the hands of 12 people! I can't deal with it and trying not to think about any of that yet.

    Never thought I'd find myself here, but I'm so greatful for this forum and the people here! It really does bring some comfort to a horrible situation!

    Danny.
    All good work Danny and you can discuss the screenshots and what you should do with them with your solicitor. Sometimes it is better to save them in case there is a trial but sometimes it is better to provide them to the police if they can help avoid a charge. As I said, the sols don't get paid by legal aid for advice outside of the station but they should be happy to talk to you for ten minutes if they think they might get your business. Whether you pay for some additional advice is up to you. Certainly never trust the police with anything without some legal advice.

    A complainant is not allowed to see any defence evidence before the trial, not your statement, nothing. It is illegal for either barrister to prepare a witness for cross examination or give them the questions beforehand. Experience in the groups however tells us that sometimes the complainant has some remarkable clairvoyance and can change their account to suit a defendant's statement. A cynic might say this is due to a police officer perverting the course of justice and telling the complainant what has been said in an off the record chat but this would be very hard to prove!
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    Hi Peter, thanks. I've told my duty solicitor about the screen shots I have and he simply told me to just keep them and save them And if I get charged they would be able to use them so that's a bit hard knowing they won't be able to fully disprove her character and credibility from what she has said. Just feel like I have lost faith in the justice system and how they can take a case to court just because of someone's words against another! Hope it doesn't get that far but I'm expecting the worse, because that all I can do! Thanks Peter, Danny.

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    Prepare for the worst and hope for the best Danny, but I will emphasise the hope.

    The solicitor has given wise advice about the screenshots. Unless you have one that says something like "I can't believe I lied to the police" they won't disprove the central allegation but they will be useful for undermining her in court should it get that far.

    For instance, her going out drinking the next week will be pretty useless unless she has said in her statement " I cried and didn't go out for weeks" - and that is when defence barrister produces her own facebook post and makes her look like a liar... and the jury think "if she lied about that..."... you don't need to fully disprove anything, it is the job of the prosecution to prove their case and you only need to cast doubt.

    Try not to worry about things that you don't know will happen. keep busy, eat well, get some exercise. The vast majority of cases end in NFA.
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    Thanks Peter. I shall keep an eye on her social media and continue to take screenshots of anything I feel could be useful. How do the cps make a charging decision? I've read that they only need 51% chance of conviction? Surely most cases would be charged then if it was just one word against another? I wish this feeling would go away, it's like my life is over. I'm even trying to think like I was in the jury and saying, this man has allegedly forced his way in (hope taxi driver actually saw her willingly letting me in the house), raped a girl and then asked her to ring a taxi and gave her his address to get home. I'd like to think a jury wouldn't be convinced with her story of events and see her for what she is, a liar. Sorry, feel like I'm cracking up, still got a long way to go but it's always with me 24/7 and getting me down, the only thing keeping me going is the truth. Danny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny24 View Post
    Thanks Peter. I shall keep an eye on her social media and continue to take screenshots of anything I feel could be useful. How do the cps make a charging decision? I've read that they only need 51% chance of conviction? Surely most cases would be charged then if it was just one word against another? I wish this feeling would go away, it's like my life is over. I'm even trying to think like I was in the jury and saying, this man has allegedly forced his way in (hope taxi driver actually saw her willingly letting me in the house), raped a girl and then asked her to ring a taxi and gave her his address to get home. I'd like to think a jury wouldn't be convinced with her story of events and see her for what she is, a liar. Sorry, feel like I'm cracking up, still got a long way to go but it's always with me 24/7 and getting me down, the only thing keeping me going is the truth. Danny.

    The cps are supposed to save public money and only send cases to court if they think there is a probability of a conviction yes but don't let that worry you if there is a charge. I would love to know how they make decisions sometimes but remember they are only guessing what a jury might think and they guess wrong about half the time. They do not have a full defense statement or the luxury of cross examining witnesses when they make their decision and so it is done at a much lower burden of proof than a crown court. They might flip a coin for all I know.

    Their full policy for prosecuting rape is here if you want to plough through the legalese:

    https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/...tion/rape.html


    Your version of events should give them food for thought and certainly a jury will be much more sceptical than a cps lawyer might be but they don't always decide to prosecute, a lot of it can probably depend on the individual whose desk the case lands on.

    Try to keep busy and not dwell too much on what might happen. Just take each stage at a time. You could be waiting weeks or months for a decision either way and you can only ruin the present if you worry too much about the future.
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    Hi All. Just got off the phone to my OI and the decision has been made, NFA! I'm so happy right now, I'm crying!!! The last 5 months has been the hardest of my life and want to thank everyone on here for the support I've been given, esspically Peter1975! What you do on this group is amazing and you are very much appreciated, I can't thank you enough!! I hope everyone who is going through this nightmare gets the right outcome and can one day move on from it!

    Thanks once again guys,

    Danny

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    YESSSSSSS! Brilliant news Danny, Well done for getting through this. I hope you can relax now, put this behind you and move forward with your life.

    It's always good to finish another unnecessary sorry tale with some much deserved dancing banana's and here they are :


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    Brilliant news.....so pleased to be able to unload the banana boat again....
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    Fantastic news, put it all behind you and move on to a better time in life.

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    Glad you got a great result

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    Fantastic news for you, Danny. I'm so glad to hear this. Happy tears and tears of relief are the best!!

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