Jittery's thoughts

[jittery]

hi RF

If you need help with your case email me at the address I gave you in the PM - didn't mean to just discuss forum stuff in PM

Will do, I'm just going to forget things for the weekend, back mondat with a vengance! Seriosly I'm not that worried at the moment, my only real concern is that if the deleted text messages can't be deleted my defence is much weaker! Have a good weekend

[edinashed]

You'd be amazed how many people who make excuses for their behaviour! God no, I want nothing to do with those who have done any of it. As soon as I realise the case is returned.

How do you know?

[Rights Fighter]

For instance, the number of middle aged/elderly men who quite by "accident" find their finger up a 12 year old girl's vagina..... they appear to be mystified....... the family carry that on for instance:

"I think his finger went on her clitoris not up her vagina"

Me trying to keep a straight face: "Why do you say that"


Because in her interview she said she went "oh!"


I felt like saying that if somebody stuck an unwanted finger anywhere near my nether regions I'm quite likely to say "oh!" along with a few expletives....

Why his finger should be within a foot of her nether regions, let alone up the vagina or on the clitoris is beyond me. Plus as he had said that his finger went up there "by accident" the issue of the clitoris takes us absolutely nowhere......

[edinashed]

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[edinashed]

For instance, the number of middle aged/elderly men who quite by "accident" find their finger up a 12 year old girl's vagina..... they appear to be mystified....... the family carry that on for instance:

"I think his finger went on her clitoris not up her vagina"

Me trying to keep a straight face: "Why do you say that"


Because in her interview she said she went "oh!"


I felt like saying that if somebody stuck an unwanted finger anywhere near my nether regions I'm quite likely to say "oh!" along with a few expletives....

Why his finger should be within a foot of her nether regions, let alone up the vagina or on the clitoris is beyond me. Plus as he had said that his finger went up there "by accident" the issue of the clitoris takes us absolutely nowhere......

Too much!

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[Rights Fighter]

How and who are you to decide the scenario of each case.

The first trial I assisted in was in 2000. That was a friend of mine whose daughter falsely accused him. I had never for an instant thought that anybody could lie about such matters before then.

Since 2002 I have assisted in other trials and appeals against convictions, CCRC applications too. And I've had a surprising number of successes given that I am not qualified.

A few members on here will know about the work I do because I have assisted them in their cases too. I have since learned from certain solicitors and barristers who specialise in false allegations and have taken on board all they have taught me. And of course I have learned from experiences through the last 13 years.

I am not here blowing off hot air. However if that is what you would like to believe that's perfectly ok. I have no problem with that.

[jittery]

for what it's worth

The first trial I assisted in was in 2000. That was a friend of mine whose daughter falsely accused him. I had never for an instant thought that anybody could lie about such matters before then.

Since 2002 I have assisted in other trials and appeals against convictions, CCRC applications too. And I've had a surprising number of successes given that I am not qualified.

A few members on here will know about the work I do because I have assisted them in their cases too. I have since learned from certain solicitors and barristers who specialise in false allegations and have taken on board all they have taught me. And of course I have learned from experiences through the last 13 years.

I am not here blowing off hot air. However if that is what you would like to believe that's perfectly ok. I have no problem with that.

Experience does count. The first thing my solicitor said to me was "its not the behaviour of someone who's been raped", I know we're not supposed to say that anymore- let's hope it's everybody else's opinion too!

[Rights Fighter]

Years ago I attended an appeal. When I got there it was already underway. Defence had a QC. When I got there the QC was outlining all the inconsistencies and discrepancies from the complainant.

I sat there thinking "but why is she doing that? The jury heard it all so can't appeal on that" but then thought that as she's a QC and I'd only been doing this work at that point for about 6 years, so basically a nobody, and she must know what she's doing and maybe the rules may have been relaxed.

Twenty minutes or so into the defence arguments, the presiding judge leaned forward and said "Mrs P, surely the jury heard all of these inconsistencies?"

"Yes my lord".


"So why are you relating them to this court?"

"It's just layer upon layer of lies and inconsistencies"

But Mrs P, you know that in this court, we cannot hear all the evidence that the jury heard, as they still convicted?"


She had to stop going through what the jury had already heard. I was surprised that the QC had done that as even I knew that. One would think that a QC would know better.

Qualifications aren't everything, I learned that day!

[jittery]

exactly

Years ago I attended an appeal. When I got there it was already underway. Defence had a QC. When I got there the QC was outlining all the inconsistencies and discrepancies from the complainant.

I sat there thinking "but why is she doing that? The jury heard it all so can't appeal on that" but then thought that as she's a QC and I'd only been doing this work at that point for about 6 years, so basically a nobody, and she must know what she's doing and maybe the rules may have been relaxed.

Twenty minutes or so into the defence arguments, the presiding judge leaned forward and said "Mrs P, surely the jury heard all of these inconsistencies?"

"Yes my lord".


"So why are you relating them to this court?"

"It's just layer upon layer of lies and inconsistencies"

But Mrs P, you know that in this court, we cannot hear all the evidence that the jury heard, as they still convicted?"


She had to stop going through what the jury had already heard. I was surprised that the QC had done that as even I knew that. One would think that a QC would know better.

Qualifications aren't everything, I learned that day!

Agreed, I think we've all learned that lesson as we pass through life! I've also been thinking about what you said earlier about not believing anybody would make up a story about abuse. It's the same for me; I would never have believed that anything like this was possible before my own experience and reading others on this site!