Hi everyone,

[Rights Fighter]

Not really. I sometimes do wonder!!

We have a great result from Team Saltrese again (with barrister Andrew). I just hope the appellants do not have to suffer a retrial. Although they would have proper representation it would be extremely stressful for them both and it would be more work for me! Nooooooooooooooooo!

[Faith]

Faith, you've been telling me off for the last few weeks about taking too much on.

:

Hence my decision to speak with Sparks myself...and then discuss with you afterwards
There's method in my madness you know!

Sparks, at the moment as RF says, there is nothing that you could gain additionally from the other forum that you can't gain from members here and your own legal team

[Rights Fighter]

And discussing with me will not take me away from my current workload?


You know me, I'd end up doing more and then I would be back to square one.....

[Faith]

We discussed it in chat missus and it took 2 minutes, you big wind up.

[Rights Fighter]

Yep but we didn't actually discuss anything hon did we? Apart from me saying I can't do anything, as I recall.

I often speak to newbies on the phone and before I know it I've taken on another case so I am not doing that again.... well not until I've worked my way through what I already have on my plate.

If I take on anything else then the other cases I already have will suffer.....

[Rights Fighter]

Plus all members should be screened first as confidentiality is of paramount importance. I need a landline number to call for two reasons.

a: it places the applicant in a specific location

b: calls can take an hour or so for me to understand the case and advise - mobile phone bills would rack up.


As BDC said on Thursday at the appeal, he was astonished at the amount of specialised information on there. It's a massive forum and there is a lot to take in. And of course, some applicants are the guilty trying to hide among the innocent and attempting to find ways to wriggle out of their own self-made situation. The members on there have to feel safe and that they can trust newbies.

Running that forum is also very time-consuming and carries a lot of responsibility in taking great care that confidentialities are maintained. Before I was so security conscious we had a several really undesirable people on there. I then had to make the decision to screen everybody before they are allowed on in an attempt to prevent that happening again. it still does sometimes but not as often as it did.

In no way am I suggesting that Sparks is an undesirable as he cannot provide me with a landline number - I am sure he is not. But the rules are there for genuine sound reasons.

[Faith]

Yep, absolutely.
Sparks, any further assistance use this thread and we will help where we can

[sparks]

Faith, you've been telling me off for the last few weeks about taking too much on.

As we know the appeal succeeded but I may well be heavily involved with a retrial if we have to suffer one, plus five other appeals on the go at the moment.

I really cannot take on any more cases at the moment.

Between you and Casehardened, I am sure you will be able to adequately advise Sparks. If there is a legal question you cannot answer he can ask his solicitor.

Sorry but I am only one person whose sanity is hanging on by a thread at the moment.

Sorry Rights Fighter, I did not mean to bother you with any legal questions, or you may have me confused with someone else, my problem was trying to join the PAFAA forum.

[sparks]

Yep, absolutely.
Sparks, any further assistance use this thread and we will help where we can

Hi Faith I was trying to join the PAFAA forum and thing things became a bit confused.

[sparks]

SS are a pain in the ass and next to useless. They are going to make your families lives miserable. Be extremely careful not to sign ANYTHING that they ask you too without first passing it by your solicitor. Do not volunteer any info to them and no not under any circumstances feel obliged to justify anything to them.

Your children may be being put on the 'at risk' register but that does not mean anything. It may in their twisted narrow little minds but you and your family have no doubt functioned well up until now without any issues and without their interference would most likely continue to do so. SS are not your friends, keep everything formal with them even addressing them by "Miss 'surname' " or "Mr 'surname' ". Show them respect but do not bow over and let them ride over the top of you, they are not the Police or courts although their influence does seem massively over powering.

Prepare to fight your corner on all fronts. If you need to move out the family home to get SS of your families back then that is a sacrifice you will need to discuss with them and put the wheels in motion for. You and your family are more important than anything round about you all, make sure any damages are limited!

Do the two accusers know each other?

Hi lawessone2009,

Yes the two accusers are siblings, apparently one of them made a complaint in 2004 but then decided to take it no further, then in 2012 both made a complaint, the second one said she did not say any thing before as she wanted to finish her studies.

[Faith]

Hi Faith I was trying to join the PAFAA forum and thing things became a bit confused.

As you have been unable to supply certain details, it's not possible for you to join that forum at this time.
However, I stand by what I've said twice...that this forum and it's members are more than capable and happy of advising you should you require it.

[sparks]

Wow, ok a bit dissapointed because the only thing I could not supply was a landline number as I do not have one , and the reason I wanted to join that forum is it deals more with historical abuse cases as apposed to rape, but I do appreciate the assistance I have and hope to continue to have on here

[Boys don't cry]

Hi Sparks.

You shouldn't be disappointed as you were told you will receive exactly the same support in this forum.

Some members and the moderators are well experienced and I am sure will positively direct you.

We are all in this together and must help each other.

Keep faith.

[sparks]

Update,

Well nothing new regarding the Investigation, as far as I am aware it is still with the CPS, as for the Social Services and their reports, they can twist and say things that have no foundation and you must accept, they write reports and ask you for your comments, if you dispute what has been written then you are seen as being negative and not co operative, if you say nothing then it is assumed that you agree with the contents.
An example of this is a report by a visitor from a family support group who came to see my wife, she was in our house about 20 minutes in total and concluded the following, I detected an atmosphere while I was at the property, Mrs X spoke in whispers and Mr X remainded in the ajoining room although the doors between the rooms remained open all the time the children roamed back and forth freely.
This lady came to talk to my wife how would it have looked if I had of stood over her while she was trying t have a conversation, we had not met the lady before so were we expected to treat her as a long lost friend, my wife talks quietly any way and takes a while to fully engage with strangers, she is foreign its in her nature and culture, and as for the children roaming between rooms is a natural child thing.
I have talked with my wife and we have decided that the best course of action will be for me to leave the family home, we think these people will continue to cause a great deal of stress, that in turn will reflect on our children and become the basis for another inacurate report.
I live for my family and cannot see them suffer because of this, I just want to spend Christmas day togather as a family, I pray that all this will be resolved and the truth will out and we can find some sort of normal life again, as this might be my last post on here I would like to thank everyone for the support, and wish you all a happy Christmas and a quality new year.

[lawlessone2009]

Update,

Well nothing new regarding the Investigation, as far as I am aware it is still with the CPS, as for the Social Services and their reports, they can twist and say things that have no foundation and you must accept, they write reports and ask you for your comments, if you dispute what has been written then you are seen as being negative and not co operative, if you say nothing then it is assumed that you agree with the contents.
An example of this is a report by a visitor from a family support group who came to see my wife, she was in our house about 20 minutes in total and concluded the following, I detected an atmosphere while I was at the property, Mrs X spoke in whispers and Mr X remainded in the ajoining room although the doors between the rooms remained open all the time the children roamed back and forth freely.
This lady came to talk to my wife how would it have looked if I had of stood over her while she was trying t have a conversation, we had not met the lady before so were we expected to treat her as a long lost friend, my wife talks quietly any way and takes a while to fully engage with strangers, she is foreign its in her nature and culture, and as for the children roaming between rooms is a natural child thing.
I have talked with my wife and we have decided that the best course of action will be for me to leave the family home, we think these people will continue to cause a great deal of stress, that in turn will reflect on our children and become the basis for another inacurate report.
I live for my family and cannot see them suffer because of this, I just want to spend Christmas day togather as a family, I pray that all this will be resolved and the truth will out and we can find some sort of normal life again, as this might be my last post on here I would like to thank everyone for the support, and wish you all a happy Christmas and a quality new year.

If ANYTHING is inaccurate or untrue then wait until it is formalised on paper and then raise your objections. Don't be afraid to lodge an official complaint.

Social services are a twisted bunch that are too used to getting their own way. Conjecture does them no favours but ultimate weakens your position.

Silence implying acceptance would also refer to the lies they write and you don't challenge.

I hope you can have Christmas with the family. I wouldn't complain until AFTER Christmas if I was in your position.